825i Clutch Kit Install 50 MPH!!

[TEAM Industries]

Hey guys,

We have released an installation video for our new drive clutch upgrade for the 825i. Check it out:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6B5gKmI2FU

Mark Schiffner
TEAM Aftermarket

[CaptDan]

Ok a serious but simple question, what is the advantage to change the clutch ?

Thanks

Dan - NJ

[bowman]

Won't an after market clutch void your warranty? :Wlys:

Bowman
Howell,Mi

[ncbowhnter]

that was my question also
Won't an after market clutch void your warranty? :Wlys:

Bowman
Howell,Mi

[825joe]

any low end loss? also, for 300 bucks what does the kit include? Is it just weights.

[king]

Why does the video show private and not play thanks Tim

[farmerbob49]

I have tried to play the video and it does the same thing for me?

[DominiEarl]

what is the advantage to change the clutch ?

[purplewg]

[QUOTE=DominiEarl;24508]what is the advantage to change the clutch



Some of us were interested in lowering our RPM's at cruising speeds of 15 MPH or so. The 825 turns a bunch or RPM's and we figured it would be quieter and get better MPG if it wasn't turning so many RPM's. These folks came out with a clutch that helped but it did not meet my needs. It seems to have only lowered the RPM's by maybe 500. Not enough for these high rev'ing engines.

[IdleUp]

I would spend the bucks to get the RPM down during cruising - there's no reason for the engine to be reving at 4000+ rpm at 10-20 mph looks like JD geared the 825i as if it were pulling a full load all the time. Mine does 47 mph stock another 3 mph is not really doing anything. Do you guys have another clutch system that would lower the RPM the screaming engine is driving me nuts!

MIke

[MBDiagMan]

Yes, I am sensitive to an over revving engine myself. That said, these are short stroke, small displacement engines. Since there are three cylinders, each piston and rod represents a VERY small amount of reciprocating weight. I can't imagine that high revs will hurt them. In fact, many motorcycle engines with such small piston and rods, turn close to double this RPM with no problem.

IMHO, the design appears solid as it is. You just need to get beyond the idea that it is over revving itself. Once you convince your instincts that it is not damaging itself, I don't think it will bother you nearly so much.

Doc

[ratrod]

Has anyone figured out or knows who JD buys these clutches from? It appears to be nothing more than a snowmobile clutch, and if you knew what make and model sleds these clutches were used on you could buy weights and springs for a lot cheaper than 300 bucks at a dealer. You could also change the spring in the secondary clutch. I'd guess the spring thats in the clutch is pretty stiff thats why you need the higher rpm's to get things moving. If you got a softer spring it would engage the clutch sooner.

[IdleUp]

Bottom line is I bought the 825i for the very fact it has a "Big" 3 cyl engine with plenty of torque & HP and there is no reason for it to be screaming at 4200+ rpm when you're going down the road at 10 mph. Facts are facts, the clutch and gearing system is obsolete which is proven by the fact they are still using a free-wheeling clutch design I had on my Mule's over 15 years ago.
JD needs to send some money on a transmission like Kubota had to when they introduced their version of the Gator.

[DIXIEDOG]

Bottom line is I bought the 825i for the very fact it has a "Big" 3 cyl engine with plenty of torque & HP and there is no reason for it to be screaming at 4200+ rpm when you're going down the road at 10 mph. Facts are facts, the clutch and gearing system is obsolete which is proven by the fact they are still using a free-wheeling clutch design I had on my Mule's over 15 years ago.
They are keeping the engine at an rpm that keeps it in it's powerband. DOHC engines like to turn, it's just how they are.



JD needs to send some money on a transmission like Kubota had to when they introduced their version of the Gator.


Then everyone would be complaining about the abrupt halt that sends them into the steering wheel every time they let off the go pedal or they would complain that when they mash the throttle the engine bogs rather than accelerates. I like the smoothness of the take off from the Kubota I traded in but I prefer the instant acceleration and climbing ability of the Gator better.

[Dane]

It sounds like time to quit complaining, take the 825 apart, and get the rear clutch in hand. At the very least you could then measure the spring to order a replacement of a different strength. I don't think that a lighter spring alone will do what you want but it might be part of the solution. First I would remove the bed and clutch cover and have someone drive the vehicle while you are free to observe the clutches and belt to see what's happening and when.

I did the reverse of what's being discussed with my gas golf cart. It had poor low end torque. Wasn't great climbing hills with a heavy load and the clutch would let go when you got off the gas so you had no engine braking. Hopefully this will give some clues, but I'm not sure how well doing the opposite will help lower your rpm's and still maintain driveability.

1. Machined a bit off the face near the shaft to allow the two plates to get a bit closer together. They were always able to touch but before when they were touching the top width was still too wide to allow the belt to climb all the way to the top.

2. I swapped the spring for a heavier one. As you'd expect it forces the plates together harder, keeping the belt higher on the pulley for longer and in low gear.

3. I switched to a slightly shorter belt. The old belt, when the cart was stopped or when off the throttle, had a good deal of slack. The smaller belt keeps the drivetrain coupled to the engine at all times. At first you'd think you'r head would snap every time you got off the gas but the opposite turned out to be true. With the engine always engaged except when totally stopped there was not the "wait for it" moment when the engine would engage, especially when getting back on the throttle when going downhill. It also made decelerating very smooth and predictable.

Most surprising was my top speed. All the changes I made should have slowed my top end but it actually increased. I think mostly due to the shorter belt which allows it to get lower on the rear clutch. When driving, even with the modifications to keep it in low gear, it's amazing how quickly (and at slow speed) the belt drops to the lowest position (high gear) on the rear clutch.

[K-DOG]

Team Industries makes both the primary and secondary.


Has anyone figured out or knows who JD buys these clutches from? It appears to be nothing more than a snowmobile clutch, and if you knew what make and model sleds these clutches were used on you could buy weights and springs for a lot cheaper than 300 bucks at a dealer. You could also change the spring in the secondary clutch. I'd guess the spring thats in the clutch is pretty stiff thats why you need the higher rpm's to get things moving. If you got a softer spring it would engage the clutch sooner.

[MBDiagMan]

Well it sounds as if K-DOG is giving a really good piece of information for those of you who want to modify your machine.

I have LOTS of experience building, rebuilding and modifying all sorts of engines and feel that I have much more than the average persons amount of motor savvy. Although the advertised torque curve as seen in the brochure is amazingly flat, if you are wanting acceleration, acceleration is a function of horsepower. Horsepower is a calculated value that increases with RPM. The same torque at 2,000 RPM will not result in the same accleration as that torque at 5,000 RPM.

For those of you who are not so concerned about strong acceleration and prefer more slow speed economy, then it sounds like modifying the clutch and/or belt drive may end up with the result you're looking for. Such a modification, however, MIGHT result in lugging of the engine and decrease bottom end life, but that's nothing but speculation.

Doc

[jordantractor]

Has anyone installed this kit? I'd like to know how it achieves 50mph. There is a limiter in the engine controller that cuts the motor out, like a rev limiter, but it is related to vehicle speed not engine rpm. At 45 mph, the motor will cut out regardless of the rpm the engine is turning. I installed a lighter spring in my clutch which dropped the shift out rpms but it still cuts out at 45mph. And for what it's worth I tried to get some info from tech support at TEAM and they blew me off. So I poked around and found the spring rate charts and ordered a TEAM spring from one of their dealers. For $22 I think I achieved the same thing they do for $200. Maybe that's why they blew me off. ??

[DIXIEDOG]

I wonder if the instrument cluster was unplugged if it would get rid of the speed limiter? :Cnfsd: Mine does the same cut out at 45....then 44....then back to 45.....then cuts down to 44...........it continues on while my buddies Rzr slowly pulls away at 50 ish.:lol:

[phxsolutions]

I have been reading all he post related to the 825i for the last year. This my first post I have 2012 825i I put 28x10 14 tires front and back gates belt and team clutch. My speedo is off by 4 miles an hour now have to use Gps to track my speed. Speedo stops at 48 @ 5900 rpm Gps says 52MPH.

[gator hater]

:BG:

[Mule]

Video wont show. Just got my gator less than two weeks ago. The rpm's are very high at low speeds and it is very loud. I ordered a Silent Rider muffler for it to try to quiet it down some. Love the gator, but don't like the high rpm's all the time.

[campoman]

where can I get the clutch cover you show on your video , is that a dealer item or after market

[fastgun]

Yes, I am resurrecting an old thread! A new thread would not have the chain of discussion that I ask about.

A few years back various solutions were being kicked around to reduce RPM and make the 825i run more quietly.
Is using the 855D clutch to replace the factory 825i clutch still a good/great option?
What about the Venom kit that gives several clutch weigh choices? Is this a good/great way to go?

My 2013 825i is to loud and I want to reduce sound level by reducing RPM's. I do not need any more top speed just less noise.
If possible I would like to keep most of the low end pulling.

[bradhill]

Yes, I am resurrecting an old thread! A new thread would not have the chain of discussion that I ask about.

A few years back various solutions were being kicked around to reduce RPM and make the 825i run more quietly.
Is using the 855D clutch to replace the factory 825i clutch still a good/great option?
What about the Venom kit that gives several clutch weigh choices? Is this a good/great way to go?

My 2013 825i is to loud and I want to reduce sound level by reducing RPM's. I do not need any more top speed just less noise.
If possible I would like to keep most of the low end pulling.

Please contact JD Clutch Doc for the Venom Rooster Performance Shift Kit. Email us at info@jdclutchdoc.com or visit us on Facebook under JD Clutch Doc.

Thanks

Brad and Doc
JD Clutch Doc

[hillbillybubba]

Yes, I am resurrecting an old thread! A new thread would not have the chain of discussion that I ask about.

A few years back various solutions were being kicked around to reduce RPM and make the 825i run more quietly.
Is using the 855D clutch to replace the factory 825i clutch still a good/great option?
What about the Venom kit that gives several clutch weigh choices? Is this a good/great way to go?

My 2013 825i is to loud and I want to reduce sound level by reducing RPM's. I do not need any more top speed just less noise.
If possible I would like to keep most of the low end pulling.

I used the 855Ds primary weights and spring and it made a drastic reduction in noise and RPMs.